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Hello people, Ive just arrived on the chicken scene and am wondering if there is a cost benefit to having your own layers or is it just for fun? So far building the coop ive put in 240 dollars and then two bags of feed, one laying mash the other cracked corn was 40 bucks. And now i need a bale of straw for 20 dollars. Ive only got three hens because the space isn't huge and they cost me 65. Thus far ive done this on my own so that's a total of 365 just to get started which is the equivalent of 73 doz eggs at 5 bucks a doz. I think it would take me a very long time to aquire 73 doz eggs. Can anyone help me to make this venture a little less expensive? Furthermore I'd love to see some coops, did the tour of coops happen? I do love my hens, and am getting a lot of pleasure out of them, but I don't think this is really urban farming because the cost is far more than purchasing organic eggs. So I don't think anyone should be fooled that there is a cost benefit to having your own chickens.

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My girls are pets, the eggs are a bonus.

There have been several coop tours; unfortunately I have been out of town for all of them. You're welcome to come look at my coop near Commercial Drive.

That would be fun, anyone is welcome to see mine as well

Hey, thanks for the comments I replied from my email, but I don't think it worked. I guess I'll copy and paste it here: Yes I like the community aspect of it, before I had chickens I used to take my children to visit neighbors chickens, now my children bring the kids they babysit to see ours, but my neighbors right next door aren't enthused, I think they would complain if I let them get a little bit stinky so I work hard to keep on top of it 'cause they are little stinkers! Oh well I guess you can't please everybody. How many do you have, and do you have the classic operation or your own design?

I have 4, two of them brought all the way from Colorado!

What's the 'classic operation'?? A VanCooper?

Yes I was thinking of the VanCooper. I guess 4 is a good number for eggs, you must get a decent amount of eggs. What are your breeds? I got my three from Emily Robertson in Langley. One is pure Sussex and the others are Sussex crosses, one with Welsummer and the other Chinese Langhorn. Mine are white brown and black. The Sussex is an excellent winter layer. I get one to two eggs a day, sometimes none. It's only enough for my family of three, I've only managed to give away four eggs so far, I don't know how people manage to give eggs away.

In answer to your original question, I do not have a Vancooper, but Duncan played a big part in the construction of what I do have (mostly alley-finds and cobbled together).

I have 1 White Brahma (white color), 1 BO (Buff Orpington, gold color), 1 RIR (Rhode Island Red, red color), and 1 Black Star (black color). The brahma and the BO are 4 years old, the brahma is still laying 5 eggs a week (!) -(I think she'll start up again - she's been molting for the last few weeks, so not now of course), the BO has not laid for a while but she has some health issues (and will probably never lay again but she's my nicest girl). The RIR and BS just started this summer, they are not yet a year old. I am pretty sure the BS is still laying right now (winter), the RIR maybe not as often. I still have more eggs than I can eat! I didn't eat a lot of eggs to begin with and so I make quiche or Avgolemono periodically to use them up. And trade with my neighbors. I've traded for garden tomatoes, wild blackberries, and wild blueberries so far. :-)

That's lovely. It sounds like you have some lovely breeds too. You must be having fun. They are fun aren't they - so cute, I've got one, my Sussex, who keeps on wanting to come in the house! - I let them range in the back yard 'cause we have a 6 foot high fence, so they've got the whole backyard and my dog keeps the crows, cats and racoons at bay. I just have to hose down the pathways otherwise the backyard turns into chicken shit central! - but they're too cute to keep locked up! Anyway, bye for now. Could my kids and I see your hens? email me at cpedersen478@gmail.com Thanks :)

Re crabby neighbors. Yeah, neighbor stuff. As long as you clean it out once or twice a week it really shouldn't get too funky. I find sand in the run really helps. When I first brought the girls home and the first poop landed I thought-OMG what have I done! But in about 7 seconds the sand had sort of dried it out enough to get rid of the smell. It might help to plant something tallish between the coop and the neighbors-out of sight out of mind actually works quite well. Some people just plain dont like the idea of urban chicken coops. They are probably republicans at heart. The only legitimate complaint is smells, so they sniff very carefully in order to legitimize their complaint. If you are anxious just review the city's guidelines-make sure your coop is 1 meter from the property line and 10 meters away from their house and you are not storing large quantities of poop anywhere except mixed into your compost. If so, nothing to worry about-just keep smiling at them. Lend them a tool or something.

Oh, I wasn't aware of the 1 meter from the property line bit etc.... I've placed my coop in an unused part of our garden, under some steps, significantly away from our house but butting against our fence which butts against their fence (yes we have two fences in the back yard, theirs an open brick, mine solid wood) It's a long story how this makeshift coop happened. I will tell it a bit later. I will show pics though now. :)

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That's so smart using the space below the stairs. Very efficient. I bet those stairs are at least 1 meter from the property line if they were built to code.

Hi Penny, you must have 4 chickens then. For my family of three, I find three chickens just provides us with enough eggs because we aren't regular egg eaters. I've only managed to give four eggs away thus far, and to me they are priceless little treasures. Indeed I do care for what they eat, so really they are quite amazing. I am having fun and it is worth it, I just wish my neighbors would lighten up.

I've been an urban chicken farmer for a while and will likely be at it for some time yet. My start up costs were probably similar and maybe even greater than yours but given that they will be amortized over more than a decade, the annual "capital" expense has proven to be relatively modest. I do replace my chickens from time to time and so my egg production remains consistent and when I consider the value of the eggs relative to the feed and bedding (shavings/straw) costs, I think the economics are probably skewed in my favour. In addition to the intangible benefits which you describe, I have the freshest and best eggs in my neighbourhood (and that is priceless!).

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